Todd Williams, DPT www.ptwithcp.com

Todd Williams is a Doctor of Physical Therapy and journals on the blog www.ptwithcp.com where he chronicles his preparation for the NYC Marathon in November 2019. Hear more about his fascinating adventures as a travel physical therapist by listening to this episode of Raising Kellan podcast.

What is your origin story?

I grew up outside of Sacramento and was diagnosed with cerebral palsy around 5 years old. I had a good support system, especially my mom, two younger siblings, and three cousins. I played baseball, soccer, basketball, snowboarding, cross country, and distance running.

What is your physical therapy career pathway?

I was the first one in my family to go to college. I lived at home and went to community college. I spent two years there and got most of my prerequisites done for grad school. I found Azusa Pacific University. It's just a small University down in Southern California. Then onto Wingate University, in North Carolina. I wanted my first job to be a good experience so I applied to all the top neuro-rehab hospitals in the country and luckily I was accepted at Kessler Rehabilitation Institute in New Jersey. I spent 2 years there and then I started travel physical therapy.

How do you contend with spasticity?

I have mild spastic cerebral palsy that mostly affects my left side. To give you an example: I walk with a limp, I run with a limp. It's noticeable, it's something that I can't hide, but I am able to walk without an assistive device. By the end of the day, I start to fatigue and I can trip. I just started cycling on my bike. My biggest thing to battle spasticity really is exercise and an electrical stimulation unit...( check out Episode 23 on the Raising Kellan Podcast)

Todd Williams DPT

What is your pain management strategy?

I always have some sort of low-grade chronic pain. I wake up with it, I go to bed with it. It's just there, it ebbs and flows. For the most part, I notice pain at night when I go to sleep. Unfortunately, with cerebral palsy, we age faster and our bodies are going to take a toll. Keeping up with my exercises is huge for me.

Todd Williams DPT after the NYC Marathon

Where to next?

Todd is currently working at a rehabilitation hospital in Los Angeles. Todd wants to transition his blog to were he tells other individuals mobility stories.

Todd's Take-Away.

One of the big things I like to work with my patients on is to BE CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR MOVEMENT! Don't get stuck in patterns, your body is so adaptable, explore how it moves.Click here

Transcript

Marsh Naidoo (00:10):

Welcome to this episode of Raising Kien, the podcast to motivate, inspire, and educate parents, raising kids with special needs. I'm your host, Marsh Schneider, and today we are joined by Todd Williams, who is a doctor, physical therapy. Todd as well has cerebral palsy and we are joined by Drake Box as well. Drake actually joined us on the first podcast episode. Drake, welcome. I appreciate you, Todd. Welcome as well.

Todd Williams DPT (00:46):

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Glad to be here.

Marsh Naidoo (00:49):

Todd, actually blogs on PTwithCP.com where he journals his travels as a physical therapist, as well as sharing his story. Mind you, he also shares the story of some other young adults as well, which is exceptionally motivating and inspiring to me as a mom. Todd, I read

Marsh Naidoo (01:16):

The blog, so I was trying to figure out, did you act run the New York Marathon?

Todd Williams DPT (01:24):

Yes, I did. I know I need, so I need to post. I have a post for it. And it wasn't what I wanted. Cause there was so much that I felt, and then I was like, I need to produce something that I felt. But then all of a sudden, Covid 19, I had all this other stuff in my life, and so it was like, Hold on a second. I went from working 40 hours a week to 80 hours a week really quick and doing all these different things. So I'm like, All right, I'm gonna hold off on this. I have it, I'm ready to post it. But there's a few other things that I wanna do to it because it did mean so much to me. But yes, I did complete it. I did it. But yeah, it's not, the actual summary of running the marathon isn't there.

(02:04):

And I feel bad cause I was like, Ugh, I wanted to do this so quickly. But I mean the turnaround with that. So to give you a little perspective, I went from, I ran that marathon and then went straight back to work and then from there started traveling and I went to Ireland. I did this other trip with my sister and just so many different things that happened. And so I just didn't really have a lot of time to write what I wanted to write. I could've put something out there, but I'm like, No, no, no. I want it to be like, this is the end of it. I really want to get all of it out there. Cause I journaled a lot. And so what I'm gonna post is basically just the thought process of my journals and putting it into something that other people can actually read, not just whatever, <laugh>.

Marsh Naidoo (02:47):

I understand this,

Marsh Naidoo (02:49):

Todd. I love your tagline. Line traveling, PT with CP, learning how to move more and in the process of teaching others to do the same.

Todd Williams DPT (03:02):

That's the goal right there. <laugh>.

Marsh Naidoo (03:05):

Todd, give us a little bit about your origin story. You grew up in Sacramento and take us on!

Todd Williams DPT (03:14):

So I mean, at first there wasn't diagnosed with cp. It didn't come until I was about five or so where they're like, Oh, this is what officially was going on. But all along they knew something. It just took a little bit to get there. But yeah, so I grew up in a small town right outside of Sacramento and there had a very good support system with my family especially my mom really supporting me and telling me I can do these things and putting me in sports and doing everything and hey, you could do whatever you set your mind to just go and try and not treating me a different child. So I have two younger siblings, but I also grew up with three other cousins. And so the six of us together is really who I grew up with. And I wasn't treated like anyone else.

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So I played baseball, I did soccer, I did basketball. When the time came, I was snowboarding. I got into hiking and high school, I did cross country and tracks. I did distance running. And that's really where I was able to see the difference of exercise and nutrition and how that can affect your body and how to make changes based on that. And so growing up, doing physical therapy and then competing at a sport where I can improve myself and see those results is what kind of led me to physical therapy. I knew I wanted to help people in some way but I didn't really know how to do it. And that's kind of how it went. It's like, well, I see changes in myself based on this and went from there. And so went through the whole process. And so now I'm a physical therapist. And actually just recently two days ago, found out I got my ncs. So that means I'm a board certified neuro specialist. Yeah, so that's

Marsh Naidoo (05:02):

A big deal, dude.

Todd Williams DPT (05:03):

Yeah, three years in the making. Thank you. Thank you. And so yeah, that's just another part of the process, being able to deliver the best possible care to my patients and having everything, something I talk about a lot is one of the things that I love is that the more that I learn, the more that I can help others. Now that I help others, the more that I can help myself, the more that I help myself, the more that I learn. And it just keeps going. And this really nice process. It's a really nice circle. And so it's really cool to be in the position that I'm in. I'm very grateful for it. Yeah, cause it's cool. It's nice to be here.

Marsh Naidoo (05:43):

Well, listen, while reading your blog, I got to find out something. A marathon actually is 26 miles. Todd, I can't imagine. So what has driven you to run a marathon my brother?

Todd Williams DPT (05:59):

Yeah. Well, I mean that's always been on my bucket list. So it's been something that's, since I was a distance runner, I was like, It'd be cool to do a marathon just because, I don't know, it's a cool thing. I'm that'd be cool to complete a marathon. So after high school, I didn't continue to compete in any significant way. I just did it for fun. And then I started thinking, so I turned 30 this past May, and I started thinking, All right, what do I wanna do before I turn 30? Just because it's just a fun milestone and I'd like to challenge myself. What do I wanna accomplish? I'm like, Well, I've always wanted to run a marathon, so better now than ever. So I started a year before and started a blog cause of that. So that's why I started a blog was cause of the Marathon.

(06:45):

And so I ran for Achilles International. And so they're an organization that helps people of all ability levels participate in exercise, primarily running by providing support groups or different people like guides and getting them into different races like the New York City Marathon and being able to give them support and allow those people to participate in things like that. And so I'm like, yes, this is what I'm all about. And so in an order to raise awareness, both about cerebral palsy, but then also Achilles International and then running and then share my story, I was like, right, I gotta start a blog or do something. But yeah, that was the motivation. I was just like, I wanna do something. But I wanted to be more than just about running a marathon. So it became running a marathon for this organization, but then also providing some insight and some awareness about what's cerebral palsy is trying to share other people's stories as much as I can. That's what I wanna transition to really. You talked about it and that's what I wanna transition to is really sharing stories of mobility. And I've been trying to work out the kinks of it, but it's getting there.

Marsh Naidoo (07:56):

Love that. So guys, I really encourage you to hop onto PTwithCP.com to hear some of these stories that Todd talks about in his blog. Where did you do your undergraduate and tell us a little bit about that part of things.

Todd Williams DPT (08:17):

So I'm the first one in my family to go to college. And so I was figuring things out, all right, what do I need to do to get there? And so after high school I was like, Right, I know I'm gonna go for at least seven to eight years. That's what it's gonna take to get there. So I started by going to a community college just near. So I lived at home, went to community college, spent two years there and got most of my prerequisites done for grad school. But all of my thinking and my process was around, okay, what's gonna set me up best for grad school? And so that's how I picked my undergraduate. And so I transferred after two years and after looking around, so I found Asuza Pacific University. It's just a small university down in Southern California but they had a really, really high rate of people that went there that got into their medical field of choice afterwards.

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And so I was like, Perfect, this is great. It was something crazy, like 97%. So I was like, All right, this is where I'm gonna apply. This is where I'm gonna go. So I went there graduated there, and then from there went to Wingate University, which is in North Carolina. So just south of, I don't know, actually of Charlotte. So outside, just another small school. But it was great. It was great to go there and to be a part of all of that. And then from there I decided, okay I wanna work in a rehab hospital and do exactly what I wanna do. I was contemplating do I wanna do travel therapy or do I wanna do neuro? Cause I felt like I couldn't have both. Cause that first you're experience mm-hmm <affirmative> very important. So I was like, you know what? I only get one chance at a first time, so I'm gonna do exactly what I want. So I applied to all the top rehab hospitals in the country and luckily Kessler was like, Hey, we'd love to have you. So I went to Kessler Rehab Institute there in New Jersey and spent my first two years there. And then from there started traveling.

Marsh Naidoo (10:25):

So this is a big question, Todd. Yeah. How on earth did you make it through in anatomy?

Todd Williams DPT (10:31):

Oh my goodness. It was so hard. So funny story. So my first anatomy class back in undergrad I got a B in and prerequisites, they're a big deal, especially the science ones they want. And so I didn't get into graduate school right away, so it took me some time to get there. So I didn't get in until a couple months after I had graduated. And so I started in a January start. So immediately after I graduated from Azu Pacific, I graduated on a Friday. On Monday I started a new anatomy class to replace that B with an A <laugh>. And so yeah, it was tough. It was tough to get through, let me tell you. Not easy. It took me a second round. It took me a second round to get that A, but it was there. And with the amount of the right amount of time and just focus, you'll get it. But yeah, it's tough.

Drake Box (11:26):

<laugh>. Yeah, definitely a challenge. See, in high school, I was good at science, I was good at biology, good at all that stuff. So I thought A and P in college wasn't gonna be a cake walk. But I figured okay, with if I focus really hard and try, I can get it. Well, I focus really hard and I really try ended with a C. So I was like, yeah, this isn't gonna fly. So I said, I gotta do this again. But I decided to wait till I go to my four year college. Cause I did graduate with my associates in pre-physical therapy. Cause I'm planning to be a pediatric PTA and work with kids at SHS Hospital. Cause that's where I had all of my surgery for my CP done. Just to be able to give back to them for how much they did to me. But anyway, I decided to have a change of scenery and then go back into the AMP program because I feel like I was gonna go crazy if I had the same teacher and the same system. So I mean, I don't know how to go about it, but it's work in progress for sure.

Marsh Naidoo (12:31):

I promise you that A&P is a rite of passage. No one wants to do it, but you kind of have to do it. But somehow you get through it. You

Todd Williams DPT (12:41):

Just,

Drake Box (12:41):

Yes, it's a struggle.

Todd Williams DPT (12:42):

Just do it. It it's about finding the right way, the right methods that work for you. I'm not great at school, but over time I got better <laugh> cause that's what I had to, And you find out what works for you and you keep trying. You might fail a couple times, but eventually you get that right just right path and you're like, All right, cool. This is what I need to do. And then it just clicks and you just ride that wave <laugh>

Marsh Naidoo (13:10):

Todd. So where are you working right now? Are you working in a hospital setting

Todd Williams DPT (13:15):

<affirmative>? Yeah, so I'll start officially Monday. So I mean there's been a lot of transition for me recently. But yeah, I work now I, I'm transitioning to permanent at a position here in Los Angeles. That's why I just moved here. And so I'm at an inpatient rehabilitation facility here. And it's all, I mean there's a few other things, but for the most part it's all neuro. And so that's what we specialize in and that's what we do. And that's what I was looking for. And so when I got out of travel, I said, it has to be the perfect job. I need to be paid enough to live in the area that I'm at to make my financial goals. I have to be treating the patient that I wanna be treating. And there has to be opportunities for research. And this job met all of those criteria. And so here I am getting out of travel to start this. So I'm excited to kind of start Monday.

Marsh Naidoo (14:14):

Hi guys. We are going to take a short break, so grab yourself a cup of coffee if you like. This episode was recorded on the 4th of July weekend. So we wish our American friends a peaceful and safe independence day. Earlier in the podcast, Todd describes getting ready to run the New York marathon with reflection. I realize that this is exactly the type of mindset that's needed with raising Kien, a mindset of running a marathon versus a sprint. It is this experience as well as others that we are getting ready to share with you in a upcoming book called What I Wish I Knew Back then, which will launch at the end of July. So guys, without further, let's get back to Todd. The question. I think that that's most of my mind. Todd, relates to spasticity and how difficult that gets on your body as we age. What are your thoughts? What is your advice? What are some of the tools that you have used to manage that spasticity?

Todd Williams DPT (15:38):

So luckily I do have mild spastic cerebral palsy. It mostly affects my left side, although I don't know if you saw it, but some of the videos from the marathon, I might need to send it to you, but it also affects my right side as well. So for me, how I manage it is through a lot of exercise. I do have chronic pain because of it. Cause you know, feel that muscle tightness, that pulling, it's kind of always there. So to give you an example, real quick run through. I walk with a limp. I run with a limp. It, it's noticeable. It's something that I can't hide, but I am able to walk without an assisted device.

(16:24):

By the end of the day, I end up tripping more or it's I get more fatigued. But for the most part, I can complete every activity that I need to. My threshold's a little bit higher. And even so I'm completing things like running and I just started cycling, see my bike here a little bit and working out and things like that. That's been my biggest thing to battle spasticity really is exercise. So a lot of what I do is I talk about it a lot at my blog as my mobility routine. And so it's a lot of exercises that focus on the things that I need. Things like external hip, external rotation at the hip or hamstring lengthening or quad strength.

(17:10):

And it's all done within a functional way. So it's like, oh, I wanna do, So I set goals for myself. I would like to do a pike pushup and then go into a handstand. And so now I'm working on lengthening my hamstrings so that I can get into those positions and lengthening my hip and the other things. So I can do that, but it's not just, oh, I'm gonna stretch the hip or Oh, I'm gonna stretch my hamstrings, I'm gonna do this exercise that's gonna allow me to do that. And that's how I deal with a lot of the spasticity is through exercise. One other thing that I do that helps me as a modality is I'm lucky enough to have, a BIOS unit that I use and I use it very off label, Very, very. So I've got IT program. So luckily I can program it and I have people that I know through BIONESS that I can program this.

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And for those of you that are listening, a BIONESS unit is a functional electrical stimulation unit. So think of something. So my brain has trouble sending signals down to my leg think of it as an extra brain. So it's sending signals to my leg basically to perform the activities of walking or I change it to do different stuff. So I have a programmed to do running and weight training but those are things that just aren't set up into it. But luckily I have people that I can work with it. So yeah, it's another thing that I do is electoral stimulation in order to get into different movements. But really that's just a supplement. Number one is exercise. The other thing is just a supplement.

Drake Box (18:43):

So not to No, I want you

Todd Williams DPT (18:46):

To, because Go

Drake Box (18:47):

Ahead please. So like we sound very common when it comes to our CP diagnosis because with you said your left side's affected. My left side, my left legs, because that's mainly the thing that's affected with my spastic CP as well. Cause I have mild spastic cerebral palsy as well. But my left side, like you said, you walk with a limp I walk with a limp, but it's most noticeable towards the end of my work day or if I'm just not focusing on how I walk because I have to focus on every step that I take so that I don't walk with a limp. Because if I do for one, I'm kind of self-conscious about it. For two, I can trip very easily. I hurt myself a lot worse. But one thing I've been struggling with here a lot recently after a long day at work, so I'm up on my feet 24/7 because I work at a grocery store.

(19:38):

I stock shelves. I'm running around the store doing all that good stuff, but my legs don't hurt during the day, nearly as bad as when I get home. And I'll lay down to go to sleep and they start hurting extremely bad. They'll start feel like a stinging slash burning pain or sensation or whatever. And I was just wondering, I was like, what's the deal here? Because this hasn't been a forever thing. It's just kind of started up recently and I've had a few speculations. But I mean, have you ever felt anything like that? Is that something you've dealt with before

Todd Williams DPT (20:11):

I mean, yeah, there's always some sort of low-grade pain. For me, it's chronic, it's there all the time. I wake up with it, I go to bed with it. It's just there. It ebbs and flows. So yeah. You were saying during your workday, I don't notice it when I'm working out for the most part, don't notice it when I go to sleep. Yeah, yeah. I get, I'll wake up from it because it's there. And for me at least what I think it is, what I am theorizing is it's the spasticity. So it's just that muscle that continues to fire and continues to pull on those joints and all of those ligaments to then cause that pain. And unfortunately as someone with cerebral palsy, we age faster. So our bodies, it's gonna take a toll on our bodies in one way or another. So I do feel that same kind of thing but for me, it's just keeping up with my exercises.

(21:11):

What I tell my patients really is, And what it feels like for me too is I give the analogy of holding playing a game of tug of war where you're on one side and cerebral pal's on the other, and you've gotta hold the line every day and every day you don't get worse is a win. And every day you pull just a little bit, maybe an inch, that's a win because you just gotta hold it and that you gotta do the things that you need to do to hold it there. Yeah. So I feel you that same thing. And I think for me, what I'm discovering now and so that's one of the reasons why I got a bike, was because after running so much and really putting myself at this higher level of intensity, I, I've always had hip pain and not due to spasticity.

(21:57):

So it's early onset osteoarthritis. And after running the marathon and going really not necessarily running the marathon, it was doing all the training for the marathon logging all those miles. I really had some hip pain that, I mean, by the end of my workday, there was times when my hip would almost give out it felt like. And so what I've done to do, I've done a lot of different things to strengthen it and do different and do different stuff. And I found that I can't just give up endurance training. I love it too much. And so that's why I got the bike. And really it's been so much better. I haven't had any of those feelings of instability and that pain that was there because of the overuse injuries and just the toll that I put on my body. It's much, much better now. But that's what I find more so than, I guess the spasticity getting worse. It's the chronic overuse injuries that when I was younger, I could just stop doing something for a day or a weekend, it would go away. And now it's like, no, it's here and you have to deal with it and figure it out.

Marsh Naidoo (23:02):

Besides how else do you recover? What's in your toolbox for recovery?

Todd Williams DPT (23:09):

Oh yeah. So for me, functional mobility, I know it's a hype term, I know that's a term that everyone uses. It doesn't really mean a lot. But what I mean by that is I'm doing some things that I'm gonna feel good through. So I'm gonna do things like whether it's a bridge, it's a certain stretch, but it's all through movement. So maybe I'll go through a yoga routine. It's very much a yoga routine kinda thing or just a walk or something to get my heart rate up. And then I go through a stretching session and things like that. But it's very low level. So when I say if I'm resting, I'm using low-intensity levels. And how I define intensity levels is based off of heart rate. So I use keep my heart rate down to a certain percentage, at least 40% or below. And then I kind of work through different things and I don't even come close to other stuff. If we're talking about strength one rep max calculations and things like that, I come much, much lower just to get some movement. And that helps. Movement helps me so much if I just rest and lay in bed all day. No, no, it's much worse.

Marsh Naidoo (24:20):

Nutrition taught. Any tips on nutrition?

Todd Williams DPT (24:25):

I mean, as it relates to cerebral palsy? Not much. I mean, for me, I haven't noticed a big difference in what I eat and how it affects my spasticity or the way that I walk or the way that I do things. But it does affect my performance. So if I can dial it in and if I can eat more of the right things and avoid some of the things that I don't wanna be doing. So one of the things my coach told me when I was in high school was like, Hey, if you stop drinking soda, you will get faster. I was like, All right, cool. Let's see what happens. And so I stopped and I was so much faster, I was like, cool. That was one little thing. And so I had been on a continued pursuit of that, but really it's nothing that I found that I'm like, Oh, this is how, this has been something that's been really cool nutrition wise, that helps my CP more. So my performance in sports and am I eating enough of the right foods, enough fruits and vegetables and things. I eat mostly a plant-based diet, 90% of what I eat as a plant-based diet. And it's not because of any one way or the other, it's just what I like to eat. And that thats really, when I stick to that it things, my performance goes through the roof.

Marsh Naidoo (25:32):

I love your travel escapades. You have been everywhere, haven't you? I listen. <laugh>, I had to write it down because I haven't even heard of <laugh>. What was this? Is it the Salkantay Trail?

Todd Williams DPT (25:47):

Sa yeah. So the SAE Trek is a So think of the Inca Trail in Peru. You start in Cusco, you go to Machu. But instead of you doing the Inca Trail, which you have to have a guide for, me and my friends just went at just us. So no guide, no porters. We arrived in Cusco and just kind of went for it, which is what we would rather do. Cause each of us have been backpacking and love to be outdoors and different stuff. So it was a really cool way to experience that country. But yeah, so the Salkantay passes the Inca Trail in Peru, except it's little, just not as populated. Not as many people, not as popular. And it was like a five, Well, we did it in four days. It was three nights, four days.

Marsh Naidoo (26:36):

Where to next Todd?

Todd Williams DPT (26:38):

That my therapist, well, so right now, actually I was supposed to be somewhere right now, so it was so funny. So with my 30th birthday in May and my sister, she was graduating college at the same time. We were supposed to go to Spain and do the Camino de Santiago. And then I was gonna stay in. So that was gonna take us about six weeks. And then I was gonna in Spain for at least three months so I could work on my Spanish. Cause that's something that I really wanna get traveling a lot of the time. I was like I spent a lot of time in Texas and in South Texas. And so a lot of my patients mostly spoke Spanish, and that was so good to really learn and get into it. But I was like, man, I really wanna get this. And Spain's always been on my list, but then pandemic, so that's not happening.

(27:25):

But eventually, yes. So I don't have any plans right now as far as traveling goes. I'm gonna stick around. Luckily the LA area has a lot of cool outdoor stuff that is nearby that I can Dr. Drive to within 30 minutes to six hours away. Recently I was in Zion and luckily I have all my backpacking gear and stuff, so I don't have to be near anyone. I can just get on my bike and just ride. As opposed to staying in hotels or doing things like that. I just camp out on the side of the road and things like that. So more trips like that are in the future, but I don't have any big plans right now. I'm gonna wait for this pandemic to settle.

Marsh Naidoo (28:04):

So we're gonna have to keep posted and check out PTwithCP and check out for those latest adventures.

Todd Williams DPT (28:12):

<laugh>, see where, see what happens next. I'm excited for the next one.

Marsh Naidoo (28:16):

Todd, I can't thank you enough for coming onto the show and sharing your story with us and adventures and your zest for life. <laugh>. I will make sure that all of those social handles go onto the blog so our parents and other listeners out there can follow you and check the blog out. Cool. Are there any last words, sir, that you would like to end off with?

Todd Williams DPT (28:45):

I mean, I get one of my big things and what I like to work with my patients and anyone that I also will work with is, I mean, anyone that's listening to this, be curious about your movement. It doesn't matter where you're at, It doesn't matter if you've got something on that makes movement more difficult or nothing at all, or you haven't moved a lot in the recent times, but get curious about your movement. I mean, I feel like that's so important. I don't think people are curious enough about how they move and what they do. They get set in patterns and in ways of this is what it is and this is what I'm stuck with. But you're not, Your body is so adaptable and it can change over time. It's not gonna change in a day. It's not gonna change in a week. You might see a little bit of change in a month, but you keep doing that and it's gonna make a big difference. So yeah, just get curious, <laugh>.

Marsh Naidoo (29:37):

All right. Well Todd, we thank you and I don't know what else to say. I'm just excited about meeting you and

Todd Williams DPT (29:45):

I'm saying really appreciate it, man. It's crazy. Yeah, kinda just like me in a sense. Yeah, no, I love this. I love, and that's what I wanted with my Instagram and with my blog is I wanted to reach more people because I had so many cool experiences on a individual level with patients, with friends and with other things. But I'm like, how can I make this more? How can I do this more? Because I get so much out of this. I love meeting you guys and being able to talk about stuff. And then your listeners, I'm just telling my simple story, but then they get to hear something and then I get to connect with them. I mean, that's just so cool. I mean, it's wonderful. So this is what I really wanted this to be and stuff like this. I'm really glad to be a part of all this and so grateful for it. So thank you. Thank both of you.

Marsh Naidoo (30:37):

Wow, Todd Williams, what a inspiration and role model you are to your patients and our kids. Definitely show Todd some love by checking out his blog PTwithcp.com and his Instagram is PT with cp. If you enjoy the content we are bringing you, please hit that like button and give us a review on your podcast provider. I promise to read your review on our upcoming shows. I will be posting link to Todd's blog on our website@raisingkellan.org, as well as some of his beautiful pictures from his travel escapades. Guys, thank you for joining us today. We sincerely appreciate you. Thank you for listening and sharing the message of our podcast. We look forward to seeing you again. And as always, remember, get to the top of your mountain. This is Marsh Naidoo, signing off.